For those who want more data! We salute you!

Wow, what a crazy week!

We were lucky enough to have a backer post our blog update on Reddit. I hear that the people swooped in and crashed the website for a sec 🙂

Better yet, getting exposed to a very skeptical audience allowed us to hear more about what you guys want to see next. And that’s more data! Control data! Charts with labels!

We apologize for that. We got really excited and posted a screenshot. We didn’t realize how much people would get excited and want more so soon!

However, I will repost a reply we made to someone in the reddit community stating how our previous post was very unlike a journal data set:

You are totally right. Our quick blog post while we are still engaged in the study is nothing like a peer reviewed journal paper. In fact, we hope that no one, ever, anywhere, attempts to use a simple graphic and a blog post as hard scientific evidence. We see it as a success because we have piles of data from subjects and controls. We do not want anyone thinking that this blog post is a valid substitute for an actual real data set.

Before we get to it, we have a request. Are there any professional ophthalmologists with an ERG device in the LA area who would be willing to get us a quick read on one of our test subjects and our control? We really want to bring you guys the best data and second party verification is always good. Please contact us at if you can help us out. We are attempting to get an appointment with UCLA to have access to their devices, but anyone who can help, we would be really grateful (also you get to be added to the paper).

Subject A and Control are living in California right now, and A was having weird subjective vision responses to the sunrise. Descriptions of a weird “pumpkin-red” colour in the sky and odd shades of green/blue. Control was not noticing anything like that. So obviously, it was time to get some fresh Farnsworth-Munsell (FM) readings from the test subjects sent in.

Now, if you have read some of the background papers, you will note that one of the ideas put forth was that as the vision shifts to being able to see further into the NIR, we would see a lack of visual ability in the blue/violet range. Basically, the curve shifts to the left and what you get in NIR you lose in blue.

While the FM test can’t read into the NIR, we can see how it effects blue/green/violet light vision…

FM 1


As you remember from the early exams, this type of failure was not present. What we found interesting is that the failure is in a range that is mostly not associated with colour blindness, so a non standard failure.

After many requests for a graph, control comparisons, etc, we have dug through the data and compiled into a normalized chart. Sorry for the lack of error bars. LibreOffice was not being helpful today…

erg averages 01

What we are looking at here is a comparison of the A and B spikes on the ERG readout (refer to previous post) average between the data from the test subjects and compared against the average control data. Your A spike is the one that moves below the central line on the reading, the B spike is the one that moves upwards. The further the spike moves, the more excitation.

You can see at the 950nm range, that the test subjects exhibit a larger degree of excitation.

We only have a week left of testing. We hope this data can keep you guys satiated for a bit.


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